Shill Episode #16 – Pssst… Your Hidden Agenda is Showing

 

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Show Notes

0:00 Doug explains the difference between being funny and being Dave

0:24 Dave introduces another live Shill debacle and Shill’s first (and likely last) guest the cackling Tamera Kremer [this would be where Tamera's blog link would be if we ever bothered linking - Google it you lazy ass listener!]

0:57 Doug coins the Shill T-shirt slogan “I am the listener”. Girlish giggling ensues and it isn’t coming from the girl.

2:40 [TEXT REDACTED - Due to wives who only read the show notes]

3:01 Dave surprises everyone with (Gasp!) a topic: “Blogging: Who gives a shit?” Tamera says there is no value left to add. Dave says it has all been written. Doug injects his personal bias into Dave’s words thus breaking into the conversation, calls blogs the class notes of the douchebag.

5:40 Dave doesn’t read blogs anymore, Doug hardly does either. Tamera pitches for Friend Feed, Doug and Dave scoff audibly at Scoble’s prize adopted child. Dave brings up Rubel again (yawn), Tamera brags about her shiny Chrome. Dave says that Twitter is now the fishbowl and off-handedly wishes Dave Fleet’s crotch a speedy recovery.

7:45 Dave says Facebook isn’t dead. Tamera chimes in on the overlooked value of MySpace for minorities. And a new term is coined… “Whitebook”. The graveyard exhumations continue with Doug unearthing Forums.

11:15 Tamera spits out a cheap shot at Shill. Doug and Dave are ill-prepared to raise the monster from the depths – The Tamerant! Direct Mail takes a few punches from the group – fighting spam with spam.

14:00 Dave strokes “true” Vancouverites and bashes the imports to Vancouver. Dave tries to stir shit with people’s bosses, Tamera suggests recruiters might want to think about the actual purpose of Linked In. Dave and Doug wonder where all the douchebags will come from to fill demand. Dave hits upon Doug’s secret fear.

17:55 Tamera breaks in on the social media “experverts” who haven’t learned the lessons from Web 1.0 communities. Dave pleases himself by finding a way to insert the word “wang”.

19:55 Dave has a problem with Customer Service via Twitter being a new media fasttrack for the old boys club. Dave tries to pin a cowboy hat on Doug, but it doesn’t fit. Doug comes to the defence of companies paying attention to Twitter, since the consumer bitching is done in public and therefore a branding issue.

25:10 Tamera compares her dick size to Dave, Dave gets touchy and Doug sticks his Twitter between his legs. The conversation devolves into should famous people get better service. Doug quotes himself and calls bullshit on the democratization of media because he chooses to take the long way around. Dave confirms the A-listers as the new mass media.

29:00 Forecasters call for a hurricane force tamerant, but instead get a minor breeze of sniggers.

And like a drugged up lead singer, Shill spills its stomach onto the stage, gives the finger to the audience and pulls down the mic stand on top of itself as it faceplants with a sickening crunch.

Thanks to Sammy Lovelace for all her hard work on editing and production.
Music:

“I Want To Hear What You Have To Say” by the Subways via the Podsafe Music Network.

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Shill Episode #15 – Dropped F-Bombs, Pants and Internet Connections

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Show Notes

0:00 Doug and Dave attempt to calibrate Skype lag and introduce Sammy Lovelace Shill’s new producer

0:50 Dave and Doug bicker like a couple considering an open marriage, Doug opens the Spinal Tap doors which leads to an obscure reference contest.

2:12 Doug promises to bring his AAA game (minor league and beefy). Dave introduces Shill’s new sponsor The Flavor Wave and then proceed to gush all over Mr. T.

3:20 Doug and Dave beat the Twitter horse senseless. Doug laments the human race and gives up on Twitter when Ashton beats out CNN for biggest posse. Doug lamely tries to justify his elitist distaste for Twitter going mainstream.

4:58 Dave admits to following celebs, but draws the line at counting the days he was on Twitter before Oprah. Dave likens Twitter to be of equivalent value to watching re-runs. Doug hopes lunch time tweets are finally off the menu.

9:24 Doug hates re-tweets and nearly exposes his fears of the schoolyard bully and his sidekick. Dave disagrees in a characteristically wishy-washy way.

11:48 Dave says that he can dive in and out of the twitter stream, enjoy being snide while he’s there and jump out when his privates are sufficiently shrunken. Dave name outs Toronto’s top 10 Twitterers as a bunch of PR Flacks.

14:00 Doug reveals anti-social tendencies by wondering of the value of cocktail parties, Dave reveals the obvious and suggests that Twitter is no place to get laid. Dave suggests, Warcraft isn’t either, ouch, that smarts! Dave suggest followers are just another form of experience points.

16:57 Armed no more info than a screenshot, Dave and Doug try to bluff their way into an opinion on Google Wave. Doug dons the tin-foil hat and gets spooked by Google having everything. Dave goes post-apocalyptic.

22:20 You heard it hear first: Dave has no time for Bing and Doug isn’t smart enough to work Wolfram Alpha.

24:45 Doug and Dave have a Stoner’s moment. Corporate social media response time and Dominoes pizza debacle briefly mentioned.

28:20 Doug gets up a head of steam on how customer service is most important for crappy products. Dave promotes listening and drops the call, Sammy drops in the sad trombone.

31:00 A word from our sponsor: Mr. T. vs The Flavour Wave.

33:35 Dave comes alive briefly, Rogers is mentioned and conspiracy theories abound and sinisterly Dave drops off again.

And like a newb at the punk show, Shill is tossed around the mosh pit before falling down in the broken beer bottles and slowly kicked into bloody unconsciousness by Doc Martens.

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Thanks to Sammy Lovelace for all her hard work on editing and production.
Music:

“I Want To Hear What You Have To Say” by the Subways via the Podsafe Music Network.

Comments:

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How much does Social Media rely on Traditional Media?

***It has been a long while since I posted anything here. I posted this yesterday on the Social Media Group blog and thought I would re-post here as well***

It seems like every week we hear about another nail in the coffin of traditional media, especially newspapers. According to NewspaperDeathwatch.com, the print editions of The Tucson Citizen, Rocky Mountain News download oh god book ii movie , Baltimore Examiner and many more have fallen victim to some combination of Craigslist, free-online news, blogs, Twitter and the recession. In Canada, Global TV, CTV and CBC Television are petitioning the government for a “Save Local TV” fund (or “TV tax“, if you are in the Rogers Cable

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There are few people who would deny that news publishers should get paid somehow. Hopefully fewer still  would deny that journalists should get paid for their work. However, the ad-supported model just isn’t providing enough revenue to justify the traditional news gathering infrastructure and casualties are mounting.

Anyone with a basic grasp of economics knows that if advertising space (supply) is exploding on every  social media site, then without an equal increase in advertisers (demand) the price will drop sharply. Some might see this as the necessary process of the broadcast media snake shedding its skin and hope that a new model will emerge. One could point to initiatives like the New York Times possibly issuing Kindles instead of print editions as potential models for the future, but I think there is an even wider effect beyond the future of news gathering.

The Associated Press and Wall Street Journal have taken a particularly strong stand as seen from this CNet article:

“There is no doubt that certain Web sites are best described as parasites or tech tapeworms in the intestines of the Internet,” Robert Thomson, the Journal’s editor, was quoted in Australian newspaper The Australian on Monday. “It’s certainly true that readers have been socialized–wrongly I believe–that much content should be free…And there is no doubt that’s in the interest of aggregators like Google who have profited from that mistaken perception. And they have little incentive to recognize the value they are trading on that’s created by others.”

In my limited investigation, a sizeable portion of the stories I see from blogs, tweets, and social networks have an original source in a traditional media outlet and in many cases social media provides a series of filters, commentary and summarized version of this content, which is certainly valuable. This is not to undermine the amazing work of some bloggers in crafting original news content and providing commentary, but the big question to me is this: If the pay walls go up on all of the news media we used to get for free online, will it negatively impact the quality or quantity of social media conversations around those news items?

Time will tell, and likely tell us sooner than we think.

Shill Episode #14 – I love Scotch, scotchy, scotch, scotch…

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0:00 Doug acts like a pompous ass while ordering a single malt, while Dave’s thought train derails. Looks like another Shill is off to the races.

0:58 Doug opens the show and Dave announces ShillstivalTO 2.0 in session.

2:30 Doug discloses his former career as a social media douchebag, apparently he has graduated to a colostomy bag or something. Dave claims that not updating your blog is a badge of honour.

3:10 It’s spring again, the natural meetup season of the geek. Twestival holds little appeal for Dave as he is a natural misanthrope. PodCamp, Mesh, Third Tuesday, SXSW, are all on the horizon, expect TwitterLynching.

6:40 Doug admits to having no idea where the cool kids treehouse will be relocated now that Twitter has gone mainstream. Dave narrowly avoids saying that there are no mountains left to climb, Doug calls Dave shallow-brained.

9:00 Dave and Doug agree that Facebook needs another look since they mercifully buried the bloody Zombie apps and turned it back into a slightly interactive contact list. Dave comes out in favour of walled-gardens.

11:25 Dave says it doesn’t matter what clients do anymore so long as they have a community manager.

12:29 Doug questions where the line is drawn between corporate brands and personal reputation.  Dave tries to drag the conversation back to @scotmonty, but Doug wisely avoids the bait. Further musing on corporate twitter accounts and podcast dress codes.

16:55 Why would anyone follow a corporate twitter that wasn’t backed by a person. Dave says that a little client shilling is okay, so long as it is not the only reason to be on Twitter.

18:45 Exciting guest appearance from the waitress and the Scotch list.

19:25 EDIT ALERT – several minutes of discussing Scotches with the bartender was mercifully cut from the podcast. Don’t worry we promise not to make editing a habit or anything.

19:37 iPhone interference makes a guest appearance. Good think no one listens to this podcast.

19:45 Dave brings discussion to client’s paying for strategy versus paying for execution. Doug leaps to the defence of his companies business model and warns clients of the risk of expecting ideas without paying for development of them. Dave brings up the ghost of “spec creative” and that you get what you pay for, so cough up cheapskates or you will get the agencies who have nothing better to do.

24:15 Conversation drifts to pitches and the sometimes dumb expectations of clients, like “cheat the other clients and pass the savings on to us.” Dave tries to justify the client perspective (or perhaps his own past behaviour).

27:45 Doug tries to steer the HMS Shill back on course by saying any jackass can have an idea, but will the idea work for a given cleint at a given time. Dave tries to pose a question, but Doug interjects with Norse mythology.

31:25 Dave spits in the eye of everyone who calls him a cheap bastard over the years, by grabbing the cheque, while Doug quietly regrets not opting for the expensive hooch.

34:40 Stay tuned for next year’s Shill for the most excting rose ceremony yet! And a little more iPhone interference to round out the show.

And like a squirrel crossing a bare spot on the electrical lines, Shill stops, jitters a bit and then falls to the street below waiting for a passing car to turn it into a stain.
Music:

“I Want To Hear What You Have To Say” by the Subways via the Podsafe Music Network.

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Shill Episode #13 – Sacreligiousity

BTW I forgot to publish Episode 12 on this blog here it is if you missed it.

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Show Notes

0:00 The Shill Podcast complaint line

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2:11 A comment from Sally Goetsch (rhymes with something) puzzles Doug and fails to make an impression on Dave. Moving on.

3:10 The Pope launches a YouTube Channel and Doug accuses Dave of being an osmotic Catholic, Dave blames his family.

5:00 Dave compares the Pope to President Obama at least on YouTube and the Shill Research Department has taken inauguration year off again.

6:30 Doug and Dave discuss the consistency of the Papacy by allowing comments (like prayers) to disappear into the ether. Doug asks about Blogma and Dave proves the audiences suspicions by admitting he knows nothing.

7:35 Dave breaks it down and wonders why Vatican content isn’t going viral, only to answer his own question: they turned the viral switch to off.

8:51 In a grand display of contradiction Doug and Dave start to actually figure out that the Vatican may have some legitimate reasons for their choices. Dave shameless crowbars in a client reference.

10:30 Doug and Dave agree that YouTube commenters have roughly the intellectual capacity of slime moulds.

12:00 Doug speaks as a Catholic (which he isn’t) and marvels at how nice it would be to preached at by his laptop rather than schlepping to the Church. Dave stops just short of calling Doug a “moran” by pointing out that mass has been on TV for years.

13:20 God has His own .com address.

13:50 Doug calls an early close to Shill. Dave threatens the audience with more frequent episodes of Shill.

14:45 Dave closes the show with an unintelligible comparison of podcasts to Catholic mass.

16:28 Rasta Doug erupts on the offbeat and Dave smacks him down by calling him a glory-hounding drummer at the end of the show.

And like a urethral swab, Shill is over quickly, with excruciating pain, and leaves you uncomfortable for a few days.
Music:

“I Want To Hear What You Have To Say” by the Subways via the Podsafe Music Network.

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